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Old 07-17-2014, 03:49 AM   #1
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The 10 Biggest Classic Rock Douchebags

10. Jerry Garcia
9. Bob Dylan
8. John Fogerty
7. Lou Reed
6. David Crosby
5. Bruce Springsteen
4. John Lennon
3. Phil Spector
2. Carlos Santana
1. Frank Zappa

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Re: The 10 Biggest Classic Rock Douchebags

Holy cow. That's a list that I totally agree with.
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Holy cow. That's a list that I totally agree with.
Really? This is a pathetic article, the way this guy thinks he could gave listed anyone in rock and turned them into a douchbag.
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Re: The 10 Biggest Classic Rock Douchebags

10. Jerry Garcia - agree he is a lazy musician and over rated

9. Bob Dylan - love his work but I can buy that he is all an act

8. John Fogerty - Totally agree with this one

7. Lou Reed - can't say, not familiar enough with him

6. David Crosby - yeah, he's a blow hard and never thought he was much

5. Bruce Springsteen - this one I disagree with.

4. John Lennon - I don't think he is without talent by any means. I do think he didn't practice what he preached and was not a very nice person.

3. Phil Spector - Well yeah, he's a douche

2. Carlos Santana - Love Carlos' music but not overly impressed with him as a person.

1. Frank Zappa- Totally agree with this assessment. Never cared for his music and he does come off like he thinks he is smarter than everyone but really isn't.
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Re: The 10 Biggest Classic Rock Douchebags

Those LA weekly columnists sure like to here themselves talk. So the assignment was "Take ten rock and roll greats, and say how they aren't great, but actually suck!" Brilliant.
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9. Bob Dylan - love his work but I can buy that he is all an act.
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1. Frank Zappa- Totally agree with this assessment. Never cared for his music and he does come off like he thinks he is smarter than everyone but really isn't.
Yeah, totally unlike the writer of this column. Certainly pretentious and outspoken, but a "homogeneous, money-hungry, play-it-safe phony"? Bullshit. This might be the first time I've heard anybody accuse Zappa of playing it safe. He makes some good points, and people love negativity, but this column is so over the top even Pitch fork would have asked him to tone it down.
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While rock ‘n’ roll is necessarily classified as a form of pop music, it is actually an idiom whose radical, destructive primitivism established a new type of socio-cultural disorder. It’s about rejection of the status quo and celebration of the dis-imprisonment it instills.

Always exploited for profit, rock’s unmanageable aspects have been steadily diluted by a sinister, commercially driven course of revisionist myth-making. There is no acceptable role in the marketplace for radicals like Charlie Feathers, Poly Styrene, Lux Interior or Roky Erickson, but there’s always room for the homogeneous, money-hungry, play-it-safe phonies on this list.
He should have left off with the italicized words and spared us the pseudo-intellectual claptrap. I think the essential ingredient in rock that differentiated it from previous musical forms is that the beat of the music moved to the forefront.

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Why would you add only him to this august assembly of names? There's no shortage of deserving nominees for this list. A particular political slant on your part perhaps?

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Holy cow. That's a list that I totally agree with.

I agree with a lot of it too.
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Any such list without Axl Rose immediately loses all credibility.
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Why would you add only him to this august assembly of names? There's no shortage of deserving nominees for this list. A particular political slant on your part perhaps?

There is definitely no particular political slant on my part. I just think the guy is a Douchebag.

Do you have any other trivial questions?
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Those LA weekly columnists sure like to here themselves talk. So the assignment was "Take ten rock and roll greats, and say how they aren't great, but actually suck!" Brilliant.
That's their whole modus operandi right there.
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9. Bob Dylan - love his work but I can buy that he is all an act.
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1. Frank Zappa- Totally agree with this assessment. Never cared for his music and he does come off like he thinks he is smarter than everyone but really isn't.
Yeah, totally unlike the writer of this column. Certainly pretentious and outspoken, but a "homogeneous, money-hungry, play-it-safe phony"? Bullshit. This might be the first time I've heard anybody accuse Zappa of playing it safe. He makes some good points, and people love negativity, but this column is so over the top even Pitch fork would have asked him to tone it down.
roser, I do agree with you that is article is over the top, I'm just commenting based on what was written and I do agree with a lot of what he says about Zappa, not all but a lot.
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10. Jerry Garcia - agree he is a lazy musician and over rated
huh your going to have to explain your position on this one?
The article picked on him for this same BS "Garcia’s gutless, drug-addled brand of candyass jamming wreaked havoc on rock ‘n’ roll, derailing what had been a form of rebel confrontation and paving the way for spineless hippie quasi-folk. Garcia’s guitar was always listless, flabby and aimless"

What because he wasn't speeding thru a song to get to the next one like so many three minute rock song so called great rock bands. The grateful dead were a jam band that stretched the songs with innovative and sometimes intense jamming which IMHO was innovative and interesting. Did sometimes they go overboard sure but that is part of the equation just like other bands experimental music. As far as Garcia's so called laziness comment. That is crazy Garcia and the grateful dead toured and played more live shows then any other band from 66-90's. In most years they played more shows than any other band and they didn't play 1 hour sets. On top of that Garcia also had a solo band that toured too, he also played in the New Riders(co-founder) and was a guest on several other albums and projects. Actually Garcia worked his ass off. By the way he did all this with just 9 fingers!

If you are talking about his guitar playing as lazy he also played a petal steel guitar and his guitar sound was easy recognized and he had many signature guitar riffs and melodies. If anything he is an underrated guitarist.

Yeah he had a cocaine and a heroin problem at times - big deal so did half of rock bands of his era.

Fine to not like him but call him lazy. please
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10. Jerry Garcia - agree he is a lazy musician and over rated
huh your going to have to explain your position on this one?
The article picked on him for this same BS "Garcia’s gutless, drug-addled brand of candyass jamming wreaked havoc on rock ‘n’ roll, derailing what had been a form of rebel confrontation and paving the way for spineless hippie quasi-folk. Garcia’s guitar was always listless, flabby and aimless"

What because he wasn't speeding thru a song to get to the next one like so many three minute rock song so called great rock bands. The grateful dead were a jam band that stretched the songs with innovative and sometimes intense jamming which IMHO was innovative and interesting. Did sometimes they go overboard sure but that is part of the equation just like other bands experimental music. As far as Garcia's so called laziness comment. That is crazy Garcia and the grateful dead toured and played more live shows then any other band from 66-90's. In most years they played more shows than any other band and they didn't play 1 hour sets. On top of that Garcia also had a solo band that toured too, he also played in the New Riders(co-founder) and was a guest on several other albums and projects. Actually Garcia worked his ass off. By the way he did all this with just 9 fingers!

If you are talking about his guitar playing as lazy he also played a petal steel guitar and his guitar sound was easy recognized and he had many signature guitar riffs and melodies. If anything he is an underrated guitarist.

Yeah he had a cocaine and a heroin problem at times - big deal so did half of rock bands of his era.

Fine to not like him but call him lazy. please
Well hightea I will attempt to defend my position but I'm thinking that nothing I say will change your obvious very favorable opinion of Garcia.

My reference was to his guitar playing not he himself as lazy.

I can only say that one thing I have always loved is a great guitar player. I love how each really talented guitarist can bring their own signature to the instrument and I don't get that with him. His sound is not unique to me and I find the Dead's music for the most part boring and monotonous. They do have some things I like but compared to other bands from that same time they just don't do it for me.
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