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Old 08-18-2015, 10:31 AM   #37
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I am very curious. Why would you think that?
That was the impression I received in my high school years from 1965-1970, perhaps partially because at least the bands successful enough to land high school dance gigs had dedicated lead singers in the Mick Jagger mold.

A couple more Stones-like as opposed to Beatles-like indicators can be found in this description of the garage rock sound:

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The lyrics and delivery were notably more aggressive than the more polished acts of the time, often with nasal, growled, or shouted vocals, sometimes punctuated by shrieks or screams at climactic moments of release. Instrumentation was often characterized by the use of guitars distorted through a fuzzbox.
The Stones were better known than the Beatles for aggressive and shouted lyrics, and it was Satisfaction that was the seminal fuzzbox track:

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...re-recorded Satisfaction ... at RCA Studios in Hollywoo, with a different beat and the Gibson Maestro fuzzbox adding sustain to the sound of the guitar riff.... The song's success boosted sales of the Gibson fuzzbox so that the entire available stock sold out by the end of 1965.
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Old 08-18-2015, 11:12 AM   #38
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Re: Keith Richards: The Beatles' 'Sgt. Pepper's' Was 'Rubbish'

What is ineresting (and releates to the topic) is that pre Sgt. Pepper the Beatles were the standard for most garage bands. When they went progressive they lost that following. After Pepper it was the Who...err I mean Stones who held more influence over garage bands.
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That being said my perspective was that there were as many different garage bands as the different bands they were emulating. Many of the good bands could stylistically cover most songs on the hit charts effectively.
I think most of the bands that cut records veered toward the Stones/Animals/Yardbirds sound ... the tougher, rebellious sound of the British Invasion. One reason is because the harmonies of the Beatles/Beach Boys were more difficult to master. The sneering lone vocalist was more prominent and easier to come by. Also I think many young musicians were attracted to the rebellious look and sound that the Stones, et al. represented.
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I think most of the bands that cut records veered toward the Stones/Animals/Yardbirds sound ... the tougher, rebellious sound of the British Invasion. One reason is because the harmonies of the Beatles/Beach Boys were more difficult to master. The sneering lone vocalist was more prominent and easier to come by. Also I think many young musicians were attracted to the rebellious look and sound that the Stones, et al. represented.
My impression as well.

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After Pepper it was the Who...err I mean Stones who held more influence over garage bands.
Sgt. Pepper's was released in June of 1967 while the Who didn't really hit huge in North America until they released Tommy in May of 1969. That was a two year gap there in which the field of influence would have been left to the Stones (and the Cream).

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Sgt. Pepper's was released in June of 1967 while the Who didn't really hit huge in North America until they released Tommy in May of 1969. That was a two year gap there in which the field of influence would have been left to the Stones (and the Cream).

That is true to a point, although The Who did have some hits in the US pre 1967.
“Can’t Explain” forced it was onto the charts strictly through pirate radio in Europe which was pretty impressive.
“The Kids Are Alright”, “I Can See for Miles”, “Anywhere Anyway Anyhow”, all were hits in Europe and minor hits in America.
But it their public persona was more rebellious by 1967 that most other bands.
They were a dynamic live act which people liked.
“My Generation” - swinging arms and mics, smashing their instruments, this made them appear more rebellious than The Stones or The Beatles. They did it on a family variety show no less - right in front of the striaghts.
When the Stone's went on TV Mick danced a little while the rest stood there.
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I just checked the charts. Tommy got to #4 on the U.S. Billboard charts while the Who's previous top selling album was the Who Sell Out in 1967 which made it to #48. Their I Can See for Miles single made it up to #9 in 1967 though.

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They did it on a family variety show no less - right in front of the striaghts.
I actually think it was at Woodstock in August 1969 where the Who really broke through in the States though.

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That was the impression I received in my high school years from 1965-1970, perhaps partially because at least the bands successful enough to land high school dance gigs had dedicated lead singers in the Mick Jagger mold.
Foxhound, I have no doubt that most garage bands in those years leaned towards the Stones, Animals, Yarbirds, etc,,,. In all honesty, around 1967, the Beatles were creating music that garage bands could only dream about trying to play. Hell, the Beatles themselves couldn't play the stuff live.
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